A Zionist’s Perspective on Why Israel is Entitled to Palestine - 6 October 2024 by Larry C. Johnson
Ron: Christ Jesus told us 2,000 years go that Talmudists are liars like their "father" Satan. This article & many comments assume "Jew" LIES are valid. They aren't. This debate is thus ridiculous.
https://sonar21.com/a-zionist-perspective-on-why-israel-is-entitled-to-palestine/
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Ron: The Talmudists are also claiming the Ukraine as their homeland because most of their ancestors really did live their a thousand years go. They are ‘nothing if not greedy’. See:
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Yesterday, I sent an email to a discussion group in which I participate that is comprised of many prominent Americans who are very pro-Zionist. My email contained the spreadsheet of the Israeli Foreign Ministry data on “Palestinian terror attacks since 2000.” My point in sending the spreadsheet was to show that there is a large discrepancy between the public narrative, which claims Israel is the victim of unrelenting terrorist attacks, and the actual facts. I received the following response from a very smart person, who embodies the mindset that is widespread in Israel. I believe it is important to listen to others, even those you strongly disagree with, and try to have a dialogue. I prefer talking over killing. Here is what this person wrote:
So since 2020, 3000 Israelis murdered by Palestinians. What about 1980-1999? Another 3000? And before 1980? The Arabs were murdering Jews in Israel when Israel was called Palestine. From the 1920s at least. So say 6000 out of a population of 8 million? That would be 225,000 Americans, proportionally. Would we stand for 200,000 Americans murdered by terrorists and just sit on our hands? What if native Americans did this in attempt to gain sovereignty over their native lands. Would we tolerate it? No, of course not.
Larry, it is one thing to try to be objective with just presenting numbers, but quite another to represent an agenda under the guise of “just presenting numbers.” You certainly know that the numbers of deaths claimed by the Palestinians are greatly enlarged by them for PR value, and that they include all of the Hamas terrorists killed in the fighting, at least 20,000 according to the Israelis. Further, you know that (a) Hamas uses civilians as shields in order to increase the civilian death count for exactly the agenda you are describing (which violates the Geneva war convention and is a war crime), and (b) Israel has the world’s lowest civilian-to-combatant death ratio of any army, the US included, and this in inner city fighting which is notoriously difficult. Omitting these facts and just pretending that the numbers speak for themselves is an agenda, and to give you the benefit of the doubt, perhaps not the one you really want to espouse.
What is really occurring here is that Jews have fully resettled their indigenous homeland at a time after Arabs had colonized it and claimed according to Islamic theology that colonized land becomes Dar al-Islam. We Jews are asserting our natural right to live in our indigenous homeland, and that includes the so-called West Bank, which is where the very name Jews comes from. Over the last 150 years, we in fact purchased back essentially all of our indigenous land. That the remaining Arabs won’t voluntarily go back to their indigenous Arabia has led to multiple wars. Because Israel is a democratic country, if the Arabs would live peaceably as citizens of Israel, they could stay and enjoy all civil rights of Israeli citizenship. Many have. But Islam is restive for sovereignty over everyone else, and this is the central fact that has prevented a peaceful resolution. It is basically the same as Spain–Islam still considers Spain Dar al-Islam because it once occupied Spain. We Jews are the rightful indigenous owners of Eretz Yisrael, the Land of Israel, including Yehuda and Shomron (the West Bank) and Gaza, but are willing to deal with practical issues to make this peaceful. The Arabs, who assert Islamic colonization rights, are not, and the land is not theirs, and Israelis have fought numerous defensive wars to keep the ownership of our indigenous lands.
Here is my response:
1. If you want to make the proportionality argument, then apply it uniformly to the Palestinians as well as the Israelis. The current killing of Palestinians by aerial bombardment, over the last year, exceeds anything done by Israel in the last 70 years. The estimate for the number of Palestinian deaths is not from Palestinian sources. It is from The Lancet, a British Medical Journal that you know quite well (here is the link — https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)01169-3/fulltext). According to The Lancet:
By June 19, 2024, 37 396 people had been killed in the Gaza Strip since the attack by Hamas and the Israeli invasion in October, 2023, according to the Gaza Health Ministry, as reported by the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs.1 The Ministry’s figures have been contested by the Israeli authorities, although they have been accepted as accurate by Israeli intelligence services,2 the UN, and WHO. These data are supported by independent analyses, comparing changes in the number of deaths of UN Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) staff with those reported by the Ministry,3 which found claims of data fabrication implausible.4
Collecting data is becoming increasingly difficult for the Gaza Health Ministry due to the destruction of much of the infrastructure.5 The Ministry has had to augment its usual reporting, based on people dying in its hospitals or brought in dead, with information from reliable media sources and first responders. This change has inevitably degraded the detailed data recorded previously. Consequently, the Gaza Health Ministry now reports separately the number of unidentified bodies among the total death toll. As of May 10, 2024, 30% of the 35 091 deaths were unidentified.1
The fact remains that Palestinians are being killed at a disproportionate rate and that Israeli tactics include the bombing of hospitals, schools, mosques and churches.
As far as your question, “What would we do if terrorists killed 250,000 Americans?,” we already know the answer to that. NOTHING. I refer to the deaths of Americans from Fentanyl. More than 150,000 died in 2022-2023, and we go happily about our business.
Israel asserts in the media that it is under constant terror threat, yet the data from the Israeli Foreign Ministry paints an entirely different picture. Their statistics, not mine, show that 73% of the attacks took place in Gaza and the West Bank, not Israel per se.
2. With regard to who has legitimate rights to live in the land now claimed by Israel, when was the last time prior to 1948 that a Jewish leader ruled over the lands now called Israel and Palestine? It has been more than 2,000 years. Is the following chronological list of who ruled incorrect?
70 AD Second Temple destroyed
132 AD Bar Kochba Revolt
390 AD Split of the Roman Empire, Byzantine period begins
Byzantine Rule — 245 years
635 AD The Levant was conquered by an Arab army under the command of ʿUmar ibn al-Khaṭṭāb in 635, and became the province of Bilad al-Sham of the Rashidun Caliphate.
First Arab Muslim Rule — 464 years
1099 AD First Crusade captures Jerusalem
Crusade Rule — 188 years
1187 AD Saladin takes Jerusalem peacefully
Saladin Rule — 57 years
1244 AD Jerusalem was sacked by the Khwarezmian Tatars
Khwarezmian Tatars Rule — 3 years
1247 AD Khwarezmians were driven out by the Ayyubids
1248 AD Mamluks rule
Ayyubids/Mamluks Rule — 269 years
1516 AD conquered by Turkish Sultan Selim I
Ottoman Rule — 401 years
1917 AD Brits vanquish Turks and take control of Israel
British Rule — 31 years
Israel Rule — 1948 to present
I realize you present a point of view that is commonly held now among Israeli political leaders, but to pretend that the Palestinians have no legitimate claim or right to live where their families lived for generations means that the war for the land will continue. According to two different scholars:
In 1919, Palestinian Muslims and Palestinian Christians constituted 90 percent of the population of Palestine, just before the third wave of Jewish immigration and the setting up of British Mandatory Palestine after World War I. Christison, Kathleen (2001). Perceptions of Palestine: Their Influence on U.S. Middle East Policy. University of California Press. p. 32.
Andrea, Alfred J.; Overfield, James H. (2011). The Human Record: Sources of Global History, Volume II: Since 1500(7th ed.). Cengage Learning. p. 437. ISBN 978-1-133-42004-0.
I do not have a magical solution to what appears to be an insoluble problem. But I strongly believe that killing Palestinian women and children is not in concert with traditional Jewish values.
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Tedder
23 hours ago
There is a calumny in your interlocutor’s comment, “…at a time after Arabs had colonized it…” The Arabs went a’conquering, but as far as I know, did not colonize, they ruled. Arabs did not migrate, so the people called Palestinians are the same people who did not go walkabout courtesy of the Roman Empire. We know that some converted to Christianity and later, many converted to Islam. But, just like the Lebanese, the Syrians, and the Iraqis, they are people of the Levant, not Arabs. They may have adopted the language of the rulers, Arabic, and possibly some Arabic customs, but that does not change their basic identity.
JRobertSmith
Reply to Tedder
22 hours ago
Exactly.
rosross
Reply to Tedder
21 hours ago
Correct and Israelis and their supporters keep making the same mistake of trying to compare Arabs, a culture, with Jews, a religion.
The only comparison is between Palestinians, the native people of ancient Palestine, and European colonists who called themselves Jews/Zionists. Or the comparison is between Jews, Christians and Muslims, all religions.
If Jews had a right to take Palestine because some of them lived there thousands of years ago then they are saying they can take England because Jews have been living there for more than a thousand years. They are saying they have a right to set up their own theocratic state anywhere on earth because some Jews lived and live there. I guess in essence they did in the US.
They are also saying that any religion has the same right so Muslims can claim India which they ruled for 600 years, most of Spain and a lot of Europe and Christians can claim Istanbul/Turkey which they ruled for more than a thousand years, and many other parts of the world.
chola3
Reply to rosross
17 hours ago
Jews say that specific corner of the world is given by their god to them. You can see the proof right in the holy books they wrote for themselves.
Islam mentions pilgrimage to two specific cities in their lifetime.
Every religion have holy sites, of course.
kam
Reply to chola3
13 hours ago
Justifying a lie, a taking, is easier when you can claim the Almighty’s signature on the original documents.
Another trick, a deceit, a demonstrable conjuring.
kam
Reply to rosross
13 hours ago
Why wasn’t a choice piece of Real Estate in Europe set aside for the European atrocities against European Jews?
Palestinians were chosen because they weren’t European.
wondering_wanderer
Reply to Tedder
16 hours ago
Yes, exactly so.
JimG
Reply to Tedder
6 hours ago
Jews are Caucasian genetically identical to other Europeans. They have NO relationship to the OT Jews except they liked the story of being chosen people of God and able to kill anyone in their way. The OT Pentateuch was commissioned by the Ptolemaic Empire ruled by one of the most disgusting dynasty in ancient history. The Pentateuch and Historical Books are political document, not religious or spiritual in any way. You go to the NT for that.
richardstevenhack
23 hours ago
Nice recap of the ancient history. It won’t have the slightest effect on the Israelis or the Zionists (secular or religious.) And the current crop of hegemons are more interested in establishing their own 500-year+ rule.
As for whether that friend of yours is smart depends on one’s definition of “smart”. There’s also a major distinction between “smart” and “rational.” Clearly he’s not the latter when confronted on this issue.
There is no solution to the problem. So it will be resolved by the usual human method: force. As I’ve been saying there are three possible outcomes to this conflict:
1) The West and Israel destroy all of the West and Israel’s enemies and control the Middle East
2) The Axis of Resistance destroys Israel, drives the Zionists out to other countries, and drives the US out of the Middle East permanently
3) The conflict evolves to the point where Russia and China get involved and results in WWIII.
As I demonstrated in my Substack articles on the upcoming war, there is zero chance of a diplomatic or negotiated solution. There are vast economic, religious and hegemony issues that are driving this conflict on both sides. Everyone has decided that this is the final conflict over the Middle East and no one will back down until it’s resolved in one of those three options.
My bet is on number 2). But the risk of 3) is considerable because we have imbeciles – to use Andrei Martyanov’s phrase – in charge of the West who don’t understand the real world.
finnegans wake 2022
Reply to richardstevenhack
22 hours ago
I agree with your #2 choice, with the help of Russia and China. But prior to that, diplomatically speaking, Israel should be spelled from the United Nations. Zionism/Fascism is a cancer in the international arena. To continue to tolerate the murder, genocide, brutality, and terrorism of this suppressive state is to deny legitimate rights in law to other U.N. members.It is to degrade the idea of law itself, never mind, the moral depravity pattern it sets by its actions.
Mac
Reply to finnegans wake 2022
20 hours ago
I also agree #2 (and a good number metaphorically, if you know what I mean), with #3 already started, with only the degree to be determined, as in whether it ends up going nuke. In the end, #2 will happen, #3 is already in progress, which will in part insure that #2 happens. Israel will be gone and the US will end up gone from the Eurasian landmass, except perhaps in a small region called western Europe.
kam
Reply to Mac
13 hours ago
Israel is now the punch-drunk fighter, slurring slogans, swinging wildly, blindly, not yet on the matt. In the corner, Uncle Samuel, exhausted, broke, prideful, with his house mortgaged to the hilt, bets on other fights, and collectors demanding more interest.
saoirse52
Reply to finnegans wake 2022
18 hours ago
This demonic slaughter would end in one day if it wasn’t for the US. Israel is enabled, encouraged, aided and abetted both militarily and financially by the world’s No1 terrorist, the US, which still, despite its slide into amoral depravity, has hegemonic ambitions. It believes, by formenting a wider West Asian war, it can bury its gargantuan debt, rescue its rapid decline in the world and halt the unstoppable progress of BRICS+ …..it’s as deranged as it is demonic and its inevitable demise will bury the settler colonist project forever.
chola3
Reply to richardstevenhack
20 hours ago
Not just Russia and Iran. An enlarged Israel, say, with half of lebanon and up to Damascus, with say, 50mn population and probably 500 nuked to blackmail, is not a position US, Europe, India etc would want to be in.
Syrian army itself can defeat IDF today. It is just nuclear blackmail keeping Israel intact.
rosross
Reply to chola3
19 hours ago
Israel cannot even defend itself, let alone hold all of Occupied Palestine permanently, let alone half of Lebanon or anything else.
Israel is self sufficient in nothing but ego, insanity, violence and hatred. It would close in a week if the Iranians took out their ports and airports.
Half the colonists have already left, thousands of businesses have closed, Haifa port is a wreck, the economy is in ruins and cannot be re-established during war because the workers are the soldiers and the soldiers are the workers and they either work and keep the economy afloat or they kill and get killed and maimed. There must be thousands of dead Israeli soldiers at this point and probably double that maimed, some for life, or injured the 10,000 to which they admit.
A lot of Israelis are carpetbaggers who just want to sit in the sun and sip their coffee and pretend they belong there. Bombs spoil their fun so they go home.
chola3
Reply to rosross
17 hours ago
not saying otherwise. the 100 nuke blackmail is what i meant.
kam
Reply to chola3
13 hours ago
Israel’s nukes are all targeted and can be taken out. Even the U.S. has them in the bull’s eye if Crazyland decides to go really crazy.
Iran just demonstrated Israel’s Iron Dome is not much more than rust.
Honzo
Reply to kam
8 hours ago
All Israel’s land-based or stored nukes are targeted and can be taken out, but only a select few have the ability to target their submarine-based nukes- basically the US and Russia, although Turkey might get lucky if an Israeli sub is in the neighborhood.
I’m not altogether certain that the US or Russia can reliably take out Israeli subs. It’s the kind of thing you want to be sure you get 100%. Pre-emption is, of course, key to success, but has its hazards too.
Since Israeli subs are diesel electric their general locations are probably always known, but the specific information needed to target them is probably intermittent unless somebody designates a lot sub-surface and aviation resources to tracking them. NATO could do this in European waters (counting the entire Med), as they are well equipped to track Russian subs, which is considerably harder, but I don’t satellite surveillance will do the trick, unless perhaps they are moving and the owners of the satellite have exceptionally good algorithms for calculating the surface displacement of underwater objects in motion.
Clonal Antibody
Reply to richardstevenhack
4 hours ago
If 2) starts to happen, then Israel uses the Samson option – which leads to 3) – So 3) will likely happen unless somebody takes out the Israeli nukes before that (which will be almost impossible – 70+ dispersed bombs.
JanetC
23 hours ago
Hats off to you Larry for engaging with people who are so deficient in knowledge of history and plain common sense! Unfortunately, their arguments are impervious to facts or logic. Ideologues just twist everything to their agenda and make up the rest.
Mac
Reply to JanetC
20 hours ago
And I’m old enough to remember listening to the song “hats off to Larry” on the radio. A pretty wild tangent, I know. But a bit of levity talking about the Levant.
kam
Reply to JanetC
13 hours ago
Yes. Larry truly has the brass.
Thank you – for your hard work and even hand.
Hunsdon
23 hours ago
As another reader pointed out, I do appreciate you speaking to people who hold the mainstream view—as Daniel Davis did with Gen. Hodges a week or so ago. Thank you for the patience you display.
Victor
Reply to Hunsdon
20 hours ago
Larry has a helluva lot more patience than I on this issue.
Brian
23 hours ago
Those of us that are not the chosen ones have no opinion worthy of their consideration. We are goyim and irrelevant. We are to be used and discarded for their benefit. There is nothing we can do to become worthy or interact with their society. Their religion them they may exercise their right to exterminate us.
I don’t believe all of them are like this.
JRobertSmith
Reply to Brian
22 hours ago
I wish more people realized this about Zionist Jews. Rabbis with forethought warned that their exclusive, xenophobic tribal system would create a people of violent nationalists if Zionism was realized. These Zionist loons numbering about 15 million think that we 8.2 billion Gentiles are not even human. They look upon us as animals.
Victor
Reply to JRobertSmith
20 hours ago
It also works another way – how to keep the Jewish population in tow. For believers in the Talmud this involves governing virtually their entire lives, instilling in them their Jewish superiority over non-Jews, denying them the ability to assimilate into the general population in which they reside, and that non-Jews are subhuman without the spark of God and created only to serve the Jew. For the non-believing, or Reformed Jew, the Rabbis have instilled a fear of criticising other Jews and not fully supporting the Tribe (which the rabbis control).
Honzo
Reply to Victor
8 hours ago
Which suggests that deliberately creating anti-Jewish sentiment among the goyim is an excellent method of keeping Jews in the tribe. Hmmm…
kam
Reply to JRobertSmith
13 hours ago
Yet we “lessers” can survive without “them”. They cannot survive without us.
Tell me again who really has the power.
The tap-dancer, or the producer.
bonbon
Reply to kam
8 hours ago
The musician.
kam
Reply to Brian
13 hours ago
They control the Central Banks, can invoke “Too Big To Fail”, so they will last until the U.S.A is drained dry, like all the other useful idiots.
Galina
23 hours ago
LARRY, reducing the wars to numbers vs numbers is completely counterproductive and has nothing to do with humanity. And yes, your opponent is correct about Native Americans/Indians vs European INVADERS is correct but is it productive in historical perspective? I don’t think so.
But your American military is continuing to kill people that continue to invade by force and more force and that don’t want them on their lands. Today I listened to one Israeli analyst that openly says “we are American proxies” and they act in the same way their owners, the US, is teaches them to act – in the same murderous way.
In my opinion, the only way to judge the “humanity of conflicts” is by the most human or unhuman ways to solve these conflicts. Sadly, tragically, Israelis today are not any more different than the same murderous terrorists that fight them. Who is better or worse? – This question makes no sense at all. And as long as YOUR COUNTRY will continue to support and inflict these conflicts, the humanity is at peril.
Investigating war crimes in Gaza I Al Jazeera Investigations (youtube.com)
sumant
Reply to Galina
21 hours ago
Fully agree with you.
Jane K
Reply to Galina
16 hours ago
Galina, how can you call the Palestinians ‘murderous terrorists’ and then link the Al Jazeera war crimes investigation? Have you actually watched it?
The whole point of what Larry does, which you say is completely counterproductive, is to show that Israel’s point of view is based on falsehoods.
The IDF soldiers seen in the Al Jazeera video laughing at the unspeakable things they do to Palestinians are laughing because they believe their victims are indeed murderous terrorists, just like you do. They rape prisoners because they have been told Hamas used sexual violence on October 7th. Did they? Where is the evidence? It’s just what Israel says. As so often.
kam
Reply to Galina
13 hours ago
So if D.C. is walking the line of Dual Citizens/Israeli Firsters, is this really “American” control?
I, for one, have a hard time seeing any American Interest or input into any of the Middle East.
We are constantly being told we are oil/energy independent, so why this absurd investment and posturing in the Middle East?
bonbon
Reply to kam
11 hours ago
Service to the Crown, Squire.
JRobertSmith
23 hours ago
The idiot Jews who instigated this insanity, however, are not original Semites. They are Europeans. Ashkenazi Jews did not come from the Levant. They are a population who adopted Judaism and are of mainly Turkic and Slavic origin. The original Jews never left, actually. They persisted and most of them became Muslims and Christians. But not all of them converted. The actual Semites who remained Jews were there, throughout, remaining, never victims of mass extermination or particularly vicious persecution.
It was the Ashkenazi who delivered this disaster to Palestine. And we’ve seen what they want. They covet a vast empire based on their vile, racist, genocidal fairy tales.
Lois
Reply to JRobertSmith
21 hours ago
I used to believe that but DNA studies show the Ashkenazi have the same DNA as the Sephardic Jews from the area of ancient Palestine.
Victor
Reply to Lois
20 hours ago
Some of the same DNA and that DNA is is shared by other semitic people.
Honzo
Reply to Victor
19 hours ago
Most persuasive case I’ve seen is that DNA is the DNA of the Phoenicians (and Carthaginians) who ‘converted’ to Judaism en masse after the destruction of Carthage by the Romans. They were, of course, the Canaanites of the Old Testament, condemned by the Israelites for homosexuality, idolatry and child-sacrifice, but of the same basic genetic stock. In this theory, the Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews are rebranded Phoenicians, which seems to fit their role as merchants and money-changers and a wide variety of very ‘pagan’ beliefs in Talmudic Judaism, all very different from the cranky monotheism of the Israelites.
chola3
Reply to Honzo
17 hours ago
Interesting. The christians have the same put down of others, from Mayas to India: filthy child sacrificing pagans whose lands must be appropriated in the name of their desert god.
bonbon
Reply to chola3
11 hours ago
Still going on in India :
https://robert-gorter.info/indias-killer-godmen-sacrificial-children-adolescence/
India’s Killer ‘Godmen’ and their Sacrificial Children and Adolescence
Kali featured at Paris Olympics 2024 Ritual :
This migrated with Dravidians to the Levant.
chola3
Reply to bonbon
10 hours ago
Guess it gives the Christians reason to genocide these Dravidians and put their land to good use then.
bonbon
Reply to chola3
9 hours ago
The Oligarchy adopted this cult. British Empire were absolute experts at this. The Paris 2024 Ritual makes it plain to see.
Honzo
Reply to chola3
8 hours ago
In the case of the Punic peoples (Phoenicians and their colonies, such as Carthage and its colonies), this was actually true, they were polytheists (pagans) who regularly sacrificed children to Baal. There is some reason to believe that when they converted to Judaism they brought quite a bit of their theology into the Talmud. This not an issue that people are encouraged to explore, because it’s entirely possible that there is a basis in fact for satanic practices attributed to European Jews, including ritual sacrifice. There is no doubt at all that the magical systems of the Talmud existed and had many practitioners including, eventually, Christians. Most of the Ceremonial Magic of 19th century western Europeon occultists like the Temple of the Golden Dawn have their main roots in Jewish magic, sometimes exclusively so.
gooddoctor
Reply to Honzo
14 hours ago
Correction.Carthage in Africa and Rome were great competitors and fought three bitter wars called the Punic Wars. Rome triumphed, slew all the citizens and sewed the ground with salt so that it would no longer yield crops. ”Carthagio delentum est”, was the Roman slogan. Carthage must be defeated..
Tacitus wrote, ” They created a desert and called it peace”
kam
Reply to gooddoctor
12 hours ago
Israel is salting Gaza now.
Inhumanity generation after generation.
bonbon
Reply to kam
12 hours ago
More Roman than Rome itself. Which is why Israeli protesters say Bibius Caesar :
Honzo
Reply to gooddoctor
11 hours ago
This is not a ‘correction.’ Carthage had colonies in Spain and along the African coast of the Med. sea past the strait of Gibraltar along the Atlantic Coast. These people survived the destruction of Carthage itself, but found it expedient not to be Carthaginians after Rome became the dominant force in the Mediterranean. This explains the Roman reports of large populations of Jews around the Empire, despite the Israelites being a very small, agricultural tribe. It also accounts for the role in trade and banking that Sephardic and Ashkenazi Jews played, despite the Israelites having no history of either. The theory rather ironically gives us a history in which the Sons of Ham in many ways come to dominate Judaism both demographically and doctrinally, as Punic religion becomes a major part of Talmudic Judaism.
Your ‘correction’ is the equivalent of claiming that after the Holocaust there were no Jews.
bonbon
Reply to Honzo
11 hours ago
Punic, means Phoenician, master ocean navigators. Romans were coastal huggers, although 1 Roman ship was found off Florida. Phoenician used Hebrew script, found along the Amazon, were Ishtar followers.
gooddoctor
Reply to bonbon
3 hours ago
May I ask your sources?
bonbon
Reply to gooddoctor
3 hours ago
A vast literature in Paraiba Revisited by Richard Bishop.
Of course Phoenician inscriptions from 571BC in Brazil set off a firestorm!
bonbon
Reply to bonbon
2 hours ago
For starters : The paper really gets into the script.
gooddoctor
Reply to Honzo
3 hours ago
Fascinating, but you don’t get the whole picture. Palestine was a backwater of the Empire. Alexander the Great decided to invade India. He built Alexandria as a garrison town to go across Afghanistan to invade India. The only other group save Greeks and Macedonians he took along were 100,000 Hebrews widely known as fighters
Alexander dropped dead, and so Alexandria became a Greek-Jewish city where the Torah was translated into Greek and became the Septuagint, something of a bestseller in the Roman Empire where communities of Jews were everywhere . Paul is from Tarsus and on his way to visit a community in Dmascus. Afterwards he wanders all over the Roman Empire, and everywhere Jews. Lot of refernces in literature, usually anti-semitic.
Jerusalem had the Zealots, fucking Israelis. They turned up in Alexandria and caused big trouble. Dirty Jews.
bonbon
Reply to gooddoctor
3 hours ago
Alexander was poisoned by a relative of his home-schooling teacher Aristotle, known as the poisoner.
Kukulkan
Reply to Lois
18 hours ago
Lois wrote:
DNA studies show the Ashkenazi have the same DNA as the Sephardic Jews from the area of ancient Palestine.
And both groups have 98.8% DNA in common with chimpanzees (as do all humans). Does that mean Zionists will be claiming they are indigenous to parts of central and Western Africa?
By the same token, British and Italians have DNA in common. Does that mean a Brit who worships the pagan Roman gods (and such people do exist) has a claim to the Italian peninsula and can move in and take over the territory from the locals on the basis that the ancestors of those locals converted to Catholicism as some point in the past?
kam
Reply to Kukulkan
12 hours ago
“They” made it clear when NATO/DC pushed Russia into the Ukraine war.
Narrative, a story, a fiction, a lie.
Too Big To Fail was the softer version of the real story of
Too Chosen To Fail.
And $30 Trillion in Debt later, the Failure will be the U.S.
because the treasure is gone.
Can you understand?
Victor
Reply to JRobertSmith
21 hours ago
You might be interested in the following to correct your views:
American Pravda: The True Origin of the Jews as Khazars, Israelites, or Canaanites, by Ron Unz – The Unz Review
I think Ron Unz, a Jew himself, has come closest to the answer.
Honzo
Reply to Victor
19 hours ago
Ah, thanks, I just cited this article (though I didn’t recall where I’d read it) in the post above this. Good stuff.
gooddoctor
Reply to Victor
14 hours ago
You have Jew wannabees all over the world.
Here is the documented low-dowm
Hasdai Learned of the KhazarsReferences to the Khazars adopting Judaism as their religion is found in Arabic, Christian and Jewish sources. However, the most famous account is found in the letters known as the Khazar Correspondence, exchanged between Rabbi Hasdai ibn Shaprut (c. 915–975), and Joseph, king of the Khazars. Hasdai (or Chasdai) ibn Shaprut was a fascinating individual in his own right.
Born in Jaen, Spain, Hasdai was a Jewish scholar and physician proficient in multiple languages. Originally appointed as physician to Caliph Abd-ar-Rahman III (912–961), he eventually became the caliph’s faithful counselor. Although he didn’t bear the official title of vizier, he was effectively the minister of foreign affairs and arranged alliances with various foreign powers. He worked tirelessly for the betterment of his fellow Jews, and it is largely due to his efforts and support of Jewish learning that Spain became the new center of Torah learning after the Geonic period in Babylonia.
At first, Hasdai only heard scant rumors of the existence of a Jewish state. However, the existence of the Khazar state was eventually confirmed by two Jewish merchants, Mar Saul and Mar Joseph. Hasdai then decided to make contact with the Khazars.
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The Khazars Accept Judaism
The initial attempt by Hasdai failed, since the Byzntines, who feared a direct alliance between Spain and the Khazars, held up Hasdai’s emissary on the pretext that the roads were not safe. But Hasdai persevered; he sent a new emissary and was eventually able to make contact.
In his return letter, King Joseph replied to Hasdai’s questions regarding the history of the Khazars and which tribe they were from.
King Joseph explained that his ancestor King Bulan decided to give up his pagan beliefs in order to accept one of the three leading faiths: Judaism, Christianity or Islam. King Bulan then arranged for representatives of each of the three faiths to participate in a debate in his presence:
On the third day he called all the sages together and said to them, “Speak and argue with one another and clarify which is the best religion.” They began to dispute with one another without arriving at any results, until the king said to the Christian priest, “What do you think? Of the religion of the Jews and the Muslims, which is to be preferred?” The priest answered: “The religion of the Israelites is better than that of the Muslims.”
Honzo
Reply to gooddoctor
11 hours ago
The Khazars, at least important ones, converted to Judaism, but their contribution to Ashkenazi and Sephardic DNA is very small compared to Semitic DNA. Given the nature of Israelite society and its demographics, the Israelites really can’t have made this contribution, but the Phoenicians were well positioned to do so.
gooddoctor
Reply to Honzo
3 hours ago
I am new to this. I know about the Phoenicians, but don’t see why ‘blood’ or my DNA matters. Grandma on my mother’s side married a Gypsy with a Jewish name and she grew up in a Gypsy colony and had their ways. Being Jewish to me is cultural. I was born in Budapest and lived in a Jewish Community.in Montreal. The writer Mordecai Richler who loathed Israel wrote about my community. I am a Montreal Jew and don’t like Toronto Jews. Nobody likes Israelis.
gooddoctor
Reply to JRobertSmith
20 hours ago
Horseshit. Jews were all over the Roman Empire including the Roman province of Pannonia, my Hungary. Throughout the Middle Ages, Jews in Arab countries communicated with each other and had no trouble with my ancestors as real Jews.
You may not have heard of Sabbatai Zvi, the would be messiah. Istanbul is the cross-road of Europe and Asia. Things were cool among the Moslems, but Ukraine where the Jews were expelled had the Chelminski pogroms, so the word that the Messiah had arrived and already performing miracles. was greeted joyfully. What made all this plausible is that a great scholar, Nathan of Gaza, yes that Gaza, put Sabbatai’s crazy utterances into proper theological framework. Sabbatai was much like Trump in working, and stirred up great excitement among Jews of Istanbulwho sold their belongings and slept in their clothing to be ready when the Messiah comes by to the sound of the Shofar.
Not good for business. So the Sultan gave an offer that cannot be refused. Either Sabbatai converts to Islam or he would be put to death. Sabatai died a Moslem. But that form of ecstatic worship characteristic of Sufi Islam was picked up by Chassids who are right now packing their bags with kosher food and heading to the Ukraine to pray at the grave of the founders of their faiths during High Holidays. Not a worldly group.
Sufi dancing
Chassidic dancing
All men are brothers.
Roland
Reply to gooddoctor
7 hours ago
Am glad that you give some historical background here. Thanks!
kam
Reply to JRobertSmith
13 hours ago
Yet a Polish Jew, Netanyahu/Benzion Mileikowsky, claiming Semitic title, leads Israel. Mostly like to a bad place.
moishe pipik
22 hours ago
People who insist that jews are entitled to their ancestral homeland would stare in disbelief if it were suggested that indigenous natives are entitled to exclusive possession of the Americas, Australia, New Zealand etc. The idea that jews, and only jews, can reclaim land their ancestors lived on thousands of years ago is clear evidence of a profoundly disordered mind.
chola3
22 hours ago
The past few years, i have learnt the jews are very clever in the verbal sense.
For example, Dar e Islam is a real thing. Many in Pakistan still imagines reconquering India. So, their argument strike a chord among many of my relatives and friends.
I cannot argue and win because the the message tailored to indians is very eloquent, and i am not that clever verbally.
≠==========
Manipulation becomes a big liability once people are on to it.
Like Russia, Iran is in the torturous process of convincing its people the existenal threat. The Chosen ones just imagines others to be animals who can only fight-or-flight.
Nicholas
22 hours ago
Israel is now behaving like an abused child that inflicts the abuse it experienced upon somebody else. Some of the Jews whose loved ones suffered so horribly during the Nazi Holocaust, have embraced the behavior that was inflicted upon them and become tormentors themselves. They now treat the Palestinians as ‘untermensch’ – sub-human, or, to use the words of one Israeli general: ‘cockroaches’.
This is not just a dispute between neighbors. Indeed it is telling that the Israeli state has not managed to make friends with it’s neighbors after all these years – instead using them as a place to dump those they have ethnically cleansed from their ancient lands. Or else as a sort of buffer zone that can be used for bombing practice.
Pursuing the perspective of Israel as a psychologically damaged individual, let’s look at some of the behavioral phases of a psychopathic serial killer: …
The Murder Phase:
“Captured and defenseless, the victim is now catapulted into the killer’s Murder Phase. Norris explains that, typically, this phase often represents the killer’s horrible life as a child and his wish to propagate his horrible childhood into his actions toward the victim.”
… and it’s manifestation in Israel:
The Hannibal Directive
There is evidence (Haaretz, ABC News, Al Jazeera) that during the October 7th attack on Israel by Hamas, many, perhaps a majority, of dead civilians were killed by the Israeli Defence Force (IDF) under the Hannibal Protocol.
That Israeli’s were killed by the IDF had long seemed obvious, the carnage wrought amongst the vehicles at the music festival was obviously done by Hellfire missiles fired from IDF Apache helicopters, not by Hamas soldiers with AK 47s. In addition Israeli witnesses testified that an army tank had killed over a dozen of their friends when held by Hamas.
Such a ruthless, murderous, determination to avoid being placed in a position of weakness, where you might have to negotiate, is typical of a psychopath.
The Murder Phase is followed by the Depression Phase: …
“The final psychological phase is called the Depression Phase. Having begun somewhat in the Totem Phase, the serial killer has had to come to terms with the fact that his torture and murder of his victim did not satisfy his urges and falls into a deep depression. A depression that, sometimes, will lead to the killer’s suicide.
… and it’s manifestation in Israel:
The Samson Option
It is accepted although frequently denied, that Israel has a significant number of nuclear weapons (in 2008 President Carter opined there were more than 150). They provide Israel with the ‘Samson Option’ – if the state comes under serious threat of defeat they will be used as a massive retaliation against the attacker. The only serious candidate for such a (preemptive) nuclear strike is Iran.
At present it is obvious that the extreme (terrorist) government of Israel is seeking to provoke Iran into such an attack, providing the excuse for a major war. Netanyahu has long sought to bring the USA (whose politicians are mostly bought and paid for by AIPAC (American Israeli Political Action Committee)) into such a war.
Netanyahu’s recent appearances before the delirious, subservient joint sessions of Congress were explicitly calling for the US to join in such a war – “Our fight is your fight”.
Both Iran and Hezbullah have shown in recent months that they possess missiles capable of breaching the combined AD (Air Defense) of Israel and the USA. Furthermore they each have massive stockpiles of such missiles distributed underground throughout their territories. Iran has warned that, if attacked it will be the end of Israel.
Which explains Natanyahu’s drive to involve the US in such a regional war. However, added to the complexity is that both Russia and China have developed close ties with Iran, and that the US has lost a great deal of geopolitical leverage through it’s war against Russia and support for genocide. Furthermore, it has been militarily weakened by denuding itself of the stockpile of weapons it would need to pursue such a war. The US could not win a war against Russia alone, tell about a multi-front war which included China and Iran.
Both Netanyahu and the neocon war-hawks (such as Senator Graham) in America seem prepared to bring the temple down on everyone. It is possible to dismiss Graham as a simple-minded, though malevolent, attention seeking neocon. But not so Netanyahu.
Failure to defeat Hamas and/or Iran will be personally difficult for him – he will probably face jail-time. His lawyer has already sought to postpone the corruption case against him until 2025, because of the war. Then there are potential war-crime charges by the ICJ. His behavior demonstrates that he does not want the peace talks to succeed. The Samson Option will be increasingly attractive as he becomes more desperate.
Which way will it go?
Perhaps the mounting horror and disgust felt by most of the world towards Israel (and the US), combined with the inability to defeat Hamas will steadily debilitate Israel – through military fatigue, economic collapse and Jewish emigration. Will this eventually exhaust her, so that some transition away from apartheid (like South Africa) will be inevitable?
Or will the extremists like Smoltrich and Netanyahu in the Israeli cabinet manage to provoke Iran or Hezbolluh into the regional war they want, or, failing that provocation, initiate a preemptive strike? A strike which would envelop the Middle East (and possible the world) in flames?
How will the accelerating crescendo of change that we are going though end? Will we next have to face the tortured Palestinians acting out the role of abused child?
Or will we each declare that we want peace and step up to the spiritual challenge of finding ourselves in others?
Lois
Reply to Nicholas
21 hours ago
Good Point about how a people can become like their former enemy.
David Simons
Reply to Lois
20 hours ago
Has anybody commented on the similarity between the treatmrnt of Gaza and the Nazi creation and treatment of the Warsaw ghetto!
gooddoctor
Reply to Lois
14 hours ago
Absolutely right:
September 1, 1939- W.H. Auden
I sit in one of the dives
On Fifty-second Street
Uncertain and afraid
As the clever hopes expire
Of a low dishonest decade:
Waves of anger and fear
Circulate over the bright
And darkened lands of the earth,
Obsessing our private lives;
The unmentionable odour of death
Offends the September night.
Accurate scholarship can
Unearth the whole offence
From Luther until now
That has driven a culture mad,
Find what occurred at Linz,
What huge imago made
A psychopathic god:
I and the public know
What all schoolchildren learn,
Those to whom evil is done
Do evil in return
bonbon
Reply to Nicholas
11 hours ago
Hannibal, Punic, Carthage Phoenician, definitely Canaanite Ishtar/Astarte. Just shows what Babylon 2, Greater Israel is really all about.
gooddoctor
Reply to bonbon
3 hours ago
Get help. This is psychotic. Funny though, when they excavated synagogues, they found in many of them Ishtar, very popular in the Roman Empire.
chola3
22 hours ago
Thanks to this article and comments i got a point to make to those around me.
“The lands of Islam” belief does exist but more real is the land of the lebanese, the land of the Palestines, the land of the egyptians/Syrians/Yemenis.
Just as real as the lands of the Japanese, Tibetans, Kashmiris, Magyars etc who shouldn’t be exterminated or kicked out to steal their land, however better you can utilize that land.
sumant
Reply to chola3
21 hours ago
The land of Kashmir is mentioned in ancient Indian scriptures much before the birth of , Buddha, Jesus Christ and Muhammad. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashmir)
So, when this land is captured by force and forcibly converted to Islam and its Hindu original inhabitants are massacred and forced to flee, does this become Dar al Islam?
chola3
Reply to sumant
21 hours ago
A belief is not reality.
Since hinduism doesnt do missionaries, BJP should send a lot of buddhist missionaries there. worse case shia missionaries.
Anyway, yo DO know the current war might destroy Zionism and catholic/protestant thus automatically weakening the sunnis who mostly copy them. Dont you?
masr
Reply to chola3
8 hours ago
So what is this? A coming out of closet day as a nazi admiring Hindu state sanctioned terrorist ? Both of of you have become a tag team one upping the other in peddling lies just like the Israeli genociders are doing?
Ask a thousand Pakistanis what is gazwa e hind you won’t even get one or two who recognise the term.
As far as the Muslims are concerned in Myanmar they are barely between 2-4% of the population.
Half of them are bengali speaking Rohingya. They are mostly wide spread in tiny minorites all over Myanmar. You think they dream of becoming overwhelming majority?
Go easy on the weed drinks you drink as part of your religious rituals.
You said ” current war might destroy Zionism and catholic/protestant” Really ??!!
Thats more than 1.7 billion Christians in nearly 100 countries.
Did you add smoke also to your weed drinking habits?
This above folks is exhibit A of whacky Hindus who go under rubric of Hindutva. Terrorists, rapists and lynchers Or their supporters. Church and mosque burners of India.
gooddoctor
Reply to sumant
14 hours ago
You have no idea how beautiful Kashmir was, and how civilized and peaceful in 1968. Kashmir has mountains and lakes of wonder. You could rent a boat and drift on the lake while boats come up peddling hashish of impressive strength, and all kinds of food. Pakistan and India were secular and socialist. The Father of Pakistan was a heavy Scotch enthusiast, and so I developed a taste for it in Kashmir. There were mosques and temples of Hindus and Moslems, side-by-side. Jews too.
Paradise lost.
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Jewish Virtual Library
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/kashmir
Kashmir – Jewish Virtual LibraryWEBKashmir is a region in S. central Asia. The association of Kashmir with Jews was first alluded to by the 11 th -century Muslim scholar Al-Bīrūnī in his “India-Book”: “In former times the inhabitants of Kashmir used to allow one or two foreigners to enter their country, …
https://th.bing.com/th?id=ODLS.9d837793-b21b-4809-aceb-f60f4a0b6408&w=32&h=32&qlt=91&pcl=fffffa&o=6&pid=1.2
Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_Kashmiri_descent_from_los…
Theory of Kashmiri descent from lost tribes of Israel – WikipediaWEBThe theory of Kashmiri descent from the lost tribes of Israel posits that the Kashmiri people originally descended from the Ten Lost Tribes. History. The connection between Jews …
Mushchina
22 hours ago
As an American I don’t see what Israel does for my country but mooch our taxdollars and lie.us into wars. They payoff politicians and call our people useful idiots for exercising their 1st amendment rights. They purposely attacked the USS LIBERTY killing and maiming our sailors. They walk into our Pentagon and steal our secrets. We must cut.them off.now instead of our current course of funding maniacal butchers of human beings.
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Longtrail
22 hours ago
abrogard
22 hours ago
Anyone got a link to the spreadsheet of foreign ministry data Larry mentions?
Larry C. Johnson
Author
Reply to abrogard
22 hours ago
I can send it to anyone who wants a copy.
Larry C. Johnson
Author
Reply to abrogard
22 hours ago
Here is the link.
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/6yhsn0nxh60ud7i570nns/Palestinian-Terror-attacks-year-2000-to-year-2024-revision-4.0.xlsx?rlkey=ryx8h52p7slef9e5kt9ijgo5g&st=83j2iw4t&dl=0
Longtrail
22 hours ago
The link posted in my previous comment is something I ran across in a Substack comment thread. It seems to dovetail with this post.
Nadine
22 hours ago
Definitive intelligent and excellent response Larry. Your list of rulers going back 2000 years, well I heard 10 bowling pins go down 🙂 Scary such people exist. Thank you grateful for your work.
karlof1
22 hours ago
Ultimately, it’s Zionist behavior that negates any right for them to their own nation, they began as terrorists and remain terrorists. Their myth promotes Genocide. That’s against the laws of man if not God. It was spelled out well last Friday as I published here, “Sunday Sermon: Khamenei’s Friday Speech” for it’s not just the Zionists that are being fought, it’s the Imperial backers.
sumant
21 hours ago
“What is really occurring here is that Jews have fully resettled their indigenous homeland at a time after Arabs had colonized it and claimed according to Islamic theology that colonized land becomes Dar al-Islam”
This point actually has wider ramifications.
There are areas of UK, France, Netherlands, Sweden, Norway, where Muslims form a majority. This process is deliberate and involves migrants settling down, inviting their extended families and friends. Gradually, a mosque is built. That becomes a place of worship. Then a preacher lands up. He is trained in a foreign land to preach that this place has now become Dar al Islam (a House or place of Islam). It is now an Islamic homeland that must live by Islamic law and Islamic practices, like bleeding sacrificial goats to death and then feasting on their meat. Local laws of the country, that may actually ban such practices, are held to be of no consequence. The preached then insists that non-Muslim women living in the area follow the dress code by covering themselves, not venturing out without male relatives. Local schools, where Muslim children now form a large fraction, if not a majority, the female teachers are urged to follow the Islamic dress code. The students learn from their preachers that women who do not follow the dress code, including female teachers, are whores by nature and there is nothing wrong in raping them. Police departments do not offer protection for fear of being victimized as Islamophobes. The Muslims community, by their sheer numbers becomes a vote bank. Politicians kowtow to the Muslim leaders and promise political and legislative policies that favor the Muslim community.
This happens quite openly and deliberately. In India, there is really pernicious legislation called the Waqf Board Act,(https://pib.gov.in/PressNoteDetails.aspx?NoteId=152139&ModuleId=3®=3&lang=1) that allows a Muslim entity to claim anybody’s land as a community property of Muslims and that cannot be challenged in any court of law. Ancient Hindu temple towns have been claimed by the Muslims in this manner.
This kind of aggressive behavior by the Muslim community, that has a wide popular following among them, has an inevitable backlash.
So, it may come as a surprise, and cause you and your readers considerable consternation, that the indiscriminate bombing by Israel, particularly of women and children, is seen in a positive light in India. Social media are flooded with reports of Rohingiya migrants from Myanmar and Bangladesh trying to create such illegal settlements and then acquiring political patronage and terrorizing original inhabitants by aggressive social behavior. Muslim leaders openly proclaim that the original Hindu population will be a minority eventually because they have a much higher birth rate with 4 wives sanctioned by their religion and women being indoctrinated from childhood that their fundamental religious duty is to produce as many children as possible. This “conquest by demography” coupled with secular democratic political system is the reason why sympathizers of Israel do not get impressed by the argument about “innocent women and children” being indiscriminately killed. There is nothing innocent about using women’s reproductive prowess as a tool of territorial conquest, according to these people.
To summarize, if you intend to listen to the other side, you probably need to cover the advent of aggressive political Islam as much as Zionism. That would unfortunately lead to a bull’s eye painted on your back and a fatwa issued by some Muslim cleric in the name of “God, the all Merciful and Benevolent” that killing you is a religious duty and service to Allah for every true faithful. Discretion is advised.
chola3
Reply to sumant
21 hours ago
Just to add: my own race had commiited some naughty stuff in Myanmar. This was the real cause of the coup in the 60s. Most were expelled. Those remaining live harmoniously.
Not so the muslims who preached every friday about how one day myanmar will be land of islam. This behaviour had no americans instigating them at that time 1980s.
Other things happened and here we are now in myanmar.
BTW, current BJP of India acts on the basis that shia are like Orthodox, minding their own business. They have huge shia support.
bonbon
Reply to chola3
14 hours ago
Burma then. And the expert on that – the British.
George Orwell is Capt. Eric Blair of the British police in Burma saw the real face of Imperialism.
Shooting an Elephant
https://www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwell/essays-and-other-works/shooting-an-elephant/
chola3
Reply to bonbon
14 hours ago
yep. that is how it is.
Glasshopper
Reply to sumant
17 hours ago
You make some good points, but they are not really related. Israel’s wars make the situation far worse.
France and the UK have large Muslim minorities because of the colonial legacy. India is far and away the biggest Muslim country in the world, if you include Bangladesh and Pakistan (as it was when Britain ruled). France has a huge North African population as a result of their colonial expolits.
The relentless waves of refugees/economic migrants have been directly linked to Western resource wars, spearheaded by Britain/France/US. Facilitated by the murder of Quadaffi, which opened up the Med to people traffickers. And the terror campaign against The Syrian Arab Republic at the other end of the Med.
Further, Europe allows unfettered migration by it’s laws. Notice the long list of countries that don’t take in people, and thus don’t have them. Europe and the US are run by globalists, who love immigration. Look at the treatment of Victor Orban for saying no.
masr
Reply to Glasshopper
7 hours ago
Hes an idiot Hindu admirer of Hitler.
The political ideology which gave birth to Hindutva is modeled after Nazi ideology.
That is why the current dispensation is a big friend of Israel sending it arms and sending tens of thousands of workers last year at Israel’s request.
He like the Hasbra brings out topics of India Pakistan, BJP, Indian politics, Burma etc totally irrelevant to the article or comments above just to push his agenda of muslim hate.
Check out what ideology this worthy belongs to.
https://holocaustcentrenorth.org.uk/blog/nazism-and-hindu-nationalism/
https://www.jstor.org/stable/4408848
https://caravanmagazine.in/history/rss-golwalkar-links-nazism
https://librandu.medium.com/fun-facts-about-vinayak-damodar-savarkar-da23a2929e3
gooddoctor
Reply to sumant
14 hours ago
I don’t think you are right. As Jew, I spent over ten years teaching in various countries of the Middle East and live in Toronto right now in a Moslem neighbourhood with a large mosque just across the street. Morocco which has still over a 100 Jewish families in Marakesch alone is my spiritual home. See, Jews lived in Morocco for centuries with Arab neighbors, until Zionism when they had to leave after nationalist riots. Many left their keys with neighbours promising to return.
Morocco was a French protectrate so I am talking Sephardic Jews, not the Ashkenazi who were Zionists. My first girlfriends were beautiful Moroccan girls, and many times I served as a witness in Moroccan circumcisions which had unusual features. For one thing, after circumcision, there is a woman peering around the corner to see if the deed was done when an astonishing sound comes from the kitchen. It is Jewish women ululating, making sounds with the tongue going up and down. After that the men sit around on a carpet drinking sweet Turkish coffee and pastry telling stories from the Arabian nights and bursting into song or poetry. All in Arabic. Being Semitic, intermarriage doesn’t change their distinct appearance. Just like I look European after centuries, they look, talk and act Arab. Or did.
Sephardic Jews were very badly treated in Israel, and came to support the fascist Likud which destroyed the Ashkenazi Labour Party. Israel changed my people as fascism had the Enlightened German people
I see wonderful sights daily. A Moslem woman with a wonderful face is pushing a baby carriage with six children holding on three on each side. Not one of them is Moslem. They are on their way to one of the many parks in Toronto. Genuine kebabs with store owners face bursting into smile when you walk in. Moslem neighbourhoods are very peaceful. Afghanistan was like that once, and Kabul had Jews from the Silk Road period who despised hippies. Still, the Pathans ( I am talking backward Taliban) descended from Jews that Alexander the Great picked up to conquer India.Did you know that they light a candle and say a magical prayers. My best friend, Zaev lived with a Pathan. He studied in a Yeshiva, One day, on a Friday, he came down to see his host with his head covered by a shawl, rocking back and forth Jewish style and reciting what sounded like a brakha, a blessing connected to the Arab word baraka, a candle before him..
Fucking Zionism.
Check this out.
https://th.bing.com/th?id=ODLS.3acc5458-c16f-4c2e-b1b8-0c15bf34d301&w=32&h=32&qlt=90&pcl=fffffa&o=6&pid=1.2
Jewish Telegraphic Agency
https://www.jta.org/2021/09/09/global/afghanistans-last-jew-has-left…
Afghanistan’s last Jew has left the country – Jewish Telegraphic …WEBSep 9, 2021 · The Taliban, a radical Muslim group, took over Afghanistan last month after the United States pulled out of the country, where it has had a military presence since 200
gooddoctor
21 hours ago
Smoked him out but good, Larry. In fact, the fascists in the past were a lot more honorable about their intentions The Israeli character is very unappealing. I ran money to relatives in 1964 and was revolted, though the Israeli excuse was not that of a victim at all, but racist settler pride. My relatives faced great nastiness for walking into gas chambers without resisting, despite the fact that my father was supposed to be an underground hero. In fact, it was Mom who was street-smart who greatly enriched herself by finding Jewish hiding places. My father’s fascist buddies were subsidized. Mom also traded for money, and brought food to the ghetto.
Pop ate chicken and egg till the last day of the war. Yabotinsky was a leader in the fascist movement and his body was set up against Jewish custom for days on the Dizengoff, Tel Aviv’s main drag. I was sponsored by the fascist movement, and in the uniform of their youth movement, Betar. The trouble is that it was Tisha Bov when observant Jews mourn the fall of the Temple after the Jewish Revolt of 66-70 AD.. My aunt had an apartment in the Chassidic district of Bnei Brak. The Chassids at the time did not recognize the Zionist state, vote or join the Zionist army.
My bus home stopped at a great distance, and the bus driver was desperately trying to warn me about something. Boy, what a scene. The Chassids were supposed to die out. Instead, they multiplied as fast as Palestinians. Huge demographic problem. In any event, the streets had Yabotinsky’s monsters drive by honking horns and taunting the Chassids who were throwing their children’s dirty diapers at the cars, with policemen running about whipping right and left the Chassids. A real breakdown of our conspiracy-habits. Mind you, I am in shorts and in fascist uniform.
What would you do? I fucking ran with shitty diapers flying toward me. Only, at my door were Chassids tearing at their clothing. They would not look at me until my uncle brought down a Hungarian whip, a deadly instrument,
But Israel and its socialist kibbutzes put lipstick on the tref (pig) then.
Jerusalem had a wall separating the Israeli and Jordanian parts. Both sides looked like like an ancient Arab city.
The Jewish man at the Wailing Wall is one of the 10% of the population before Zionism. No trouble having Palestinian neighbors. You get used to each other after a few centuries.
This is a socialist kibbutz in 1964.
Victor
21 hours ago
“But I strongly believe that killing Palestinian women and children is not in concert with traditional Jewish values.”
You were doing beautifully until this statement. Jews have never had a problem with killing Gentiles (non-Jews) as the Talmudists were always responsible for Jewish cultural standards in general.
Indeed, this very Talmudist view is being carried out in spades today and the general Jewish population strongly support it.
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chola3
Reply to Victor
21 hours ago
They are not killing humans. What is wrong with killing female rats? /s
masr
Reply to chola3
7 hours ago
Ah but that’s not sarcasm on your part. You belong to hindutvava theology am admirer of Hitler and his naziism.
MarkAgrippa
21 hours ago
Just a bit of general Jewish history……..Jews have a very long history, predating Christianity and Islam.
In their history they have never gotten along with ‘the neighbours’ no matter who they were and as a result ‘the neighbours’ have tried to exterminate or disperse them to places far away. This has happened numerous times, but they still keep come back to ‘Zion’.
The all-mighty Roman Empire tried to eradicate these tempestuous people once and for all, but failed to solve the problem – they just keep coming back.
Jews have survived despite the repeated attempts at eradication. They are obstinate people who refuse to integrate and get along with anyone else. They cling to their God and their belief that they are his CHOSEN people, above all others!
The reality is that they are not going away, hence the Gordian knot of Israel and Zionism.
The solution to the problem is to withdraw support and let them work it out with ‘the neighbours’. It will not be nice and will likely work out much like it has historically, but that is what must happen. Let the cycle keep repeating itself – this must be what their God wants for them, no?
Protecting these people and their attitudes and beliefs, just makes things worse for everyone else.
If their God wanted a peaceful solution in a land of milk and honey for his CHOSEN people, you think that he would have had 5 or 10 minutes in the last 2500+ years to make one happen in the Land of Israel?
Just back off and let ‘the neighbours’ deal with the issues of Zion once again. Maybe eventually they will get the message and change some of their attitudes.
Last edited 21 hours ago by MarkAgrippa
rosross
Reply to MarkAgrippa
20 hours ago
Judaism originated in what is now Iraq and Jews were colonists in Palestine thousands of years ago. Their homeland is not Palestine. It never was. Not that religions get a homeland. They do not.
The Egyptians had been talking about Palestine and Palestinians for 2000 years before they made a note that a tribe called Judah had wandered into Palestine and set up camp 3000 years ago. As of yet no reference to a tribe called Israel has been transcribed from ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs but that is all probably religious fairy stories.
gooddoctor
Reply to rosross
10 hours ago
I am a Marxist, but just love the Bible. Yes, it is very likely that the Jewish religion and mythology was born in the area.One of many people in the land formed the Jewish religion. The Canaanites are suggested by scholars. In any event, the Samaritans in Israel also follow the Torah.
But don’t make the mistake that myths are without power.
bonbon
Reply to rosross
9 hours ago
There is plenty of hieroglyphs – there are called by different names, and were captive, ordered to kill all first born.
bonbon
Reply to rosross
9 hours ago
Here is Akhenaton, Nefertiti and daughters. I have seen this exhibit.
That is Moses, Monotheist, a Hittite concept.
Here is the hymn of Aton :
Men had slept like the dead; now they lift their arms in praise, birds fly, fish leap, plants bloom, and work begins. Aton creates the son in the mother’s womb, the seed in men, and has generated all life. He has distinguished the races, their natures, tongues, and skins, and fulfills the needs of all. Aton made the Nile in Egypt and rain, like a heavenly Nile, in foreign countries. He has a million forms according to the time of day and from where he is seen; yet he is always the same.
Last edited 9 hours ago by bonbon
chola3
21 hours ago
Mulling:
If you have a jewish friend, you have a person who thinks of you as a animal in human form who is currently useful to him.
Muslim/chritian friend: he pities you for going to tell for not having the correct party membership.
Buddhist/Hindu/Druze friend: he doesn’t care much because both of you have so many rebirth to go.
sumant
Reply to chola3
21 hours ago
Exactly! Well said!
Honzo
Reply to chola3
19 hours ago
Confucian: he hopes that his good example will help you become a person that puts his community above his narrow self-interest.
bonbon
Reply to chola3
8 hours ago
Tibetan Buddhist – do not touch that worm, it could be your grandmother re-incarnated.
Kali – why we must worship – notice the trophies.
masr
Reply to chola3
7 hours ago
The current Hindus might just lynch you for eating beef or even on the suspicion of eating beef.
rosross
21 hours ago
Attempting to rationalise with Zionists and Israeli supporters is like trying to reason with a schizophrenic. It cannot be done because the other individual is mentally ill and incapable of reason which involves processing facts.
And the core fact is, Jews have no right to claim a grain of sand on planet earth because no religion has that right. And Zionists certainly have no right to claim anything in their name.
So, the argument of what happened to some Jews, given that many/most lived peacefully in Palestine with Christians and Muslims, before Israel invented itself in 1947/48 is utterly irrelevant to the situation. Palestine belongs to the Palestinian people and no-one else.
No religion has a right to force their own theocratic state which gives them all power and superior rights on any country where some of them live. No religious stories have any historical or archaeological substance, and, even if they did, it would count for nothing because religions cannot claim a right to land, homeland, state or self determination.
Why were some Jews attacked prior to 1947? Because the first plans to colonise Palestine, indeed take all of it for Jews, were put together in the 1830’s and then from the time Zionism was invented in 1897, they did not hide their plans to bring Jewish colonists to Palestine and to exterminate or expel the native people. Sorry, but which country on earth would sit back and watch that happening without resisting and fighting the invader colonists?
gooddoctor
Reply to rosross
18 hours ago
The rationalization today was not the rationalization yesterday. My dad translated Yabotinsky’s essay ” The Iron Wall’ into Hungarian. Very subtle.
https://en.jabotinsky.org/media/9747/the-iron-wall.pdf#:~:text=a%20power%20that%20is%20ind
rosross
20 hours ago
While religious writings are neither historical nor archaeological data, even if they had credibility they do not give rights today. The claims to Palestine are religious fairy stories.
As the brave Uri Avnery wrote in 2018, the year he died at the age of 94, the myths of Jewish rights and life in Palestine are without substance.
There can no longer be the slightest doubt that the Exodus never happened. Neither the Exodus, nor the wandering in the desert, nor the conquest of Canaan.
The Egyptians were obsessive chroniclers. Many tens of thousands of tablets have already been deciphered. It would have been impossible for an event like the exodus to pass without being reported at length. Not if 600,000 people left, as the Bible tells it, or 60,000, or even 6000. Especially if during the flight a whole Egyptian army contingent, including war chariots, was drowned.
The same goes for the Conquest. Because of acute security concerns, after being invaded once from there, the Egyptians employed a host of spies, – travelers, merchants and others – to follow closely the events in neighboring Canaan, in every single one of its towns and at all times. An invasion of Canaan, even a minor one, would have been reported. Except for the periodic incursions of Bedouin tribes, nothing was recorded.
Moreover, the Egyptian towns mentioned in the Bible did not exist at the time the event is supposed to have happened. They did exist, however, when the Bible was written, in the first or second century BC.
There is no need to point out that in a hundred years of frantic archaeological searching by devout Christians and Zionist zealots, not a shred of concrete evidence for the conquest of Canaan has been found (nor that the Kingdoms of Saul, David or Solomon ever existed).
http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1522418784
gooddoctor
Reply to rosross
18 hours ago
Avnery, it will be remembered, led a formidable peace movement in Israel that no longer exists.
chola3
Reply to rosross
16 hours ago
But this fantasy is as much a christian endeavor as Jewish. So they keep on making holywood movies to keep the narratives.
BTW, even if true, the behaviour of moses would be considered negatively by an Indian or chinese philosopher.
The entire abrahamic cult is a gangster cult. Europeans should bring back Minerva, Rhea, Hera Cerridwen etc.
bonbon
Reply to chola3
14 hours ago
Europeans bought back Bel, Baal, seen all over Kiev now :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sun_%28symbol%29
Abraham stood against these human sacrifice crazies.
Here Wewelsberg , the SS center of the world.
chola3
Reply to bonbon
14 hours ago
how about *Europeans* bringing back *European* gods?
bonbon
Reply to chola3
12 hours ago
Bel is ancient Celt-Iberian, same root as A-pol-o, Baal, Sol. European Merovingians made a cult out it.
And Merovingians “discovered” Jesus did not die – he moved to France and had kids with Mary Magdalena. One descendant now sits on the Throne – King Charles III. No kidding !
His ancestor King Edward VII started the Palestine-Zionist thing, even tattooed the Kingdom of Jerusalem flag on his chest.
masr
Reply to chola3
7 hours ago
Yeah !! Gangsters all!! Bring back Idol worship!!
Check out your own Hindu religion.
https://www.deccanherald.com/archives/suspected-child-sacrifice-hyderabad-severed-1918691
https://www.indiancurrents.org/article-tantric-rituals–adult-daughters-sacrificed-to-deity-by-highly-educated-parents-manoj-varghese-252.php
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4903390.stm#:~:text=It%20was%20then%20she%20turned,are%20devoted%20to%20the%20goddess.
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/4yearold-boy-killed-in-human-sacrifice-in-amethi-4-held-police-101686769505811.html
https://thehimalayantimes.com/nepal/minor-girl-rescued-from-tantric-cult-sacrifice
https://www.deccanherald.com/india/woman-kills-toddler-as-sacrifice-ritual-in-uttar-pradesh-village-1139449.html
https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/tantrik-gets-death-for-child-sacrifice/article7500755.ece
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/ludhiana/4-yr-old-boy-killed-in-human-sacrifice/articleshow/104143939.cms
https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/four-held-in-bihar-for-human-sacrifice-days-after-mutilated-body-of-girl-recovered-1838718-2021-08-09
https://telanganatoday.com/hathras-shocker-11-year-old-boy-sacrificed-for-schools-success-fame
https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/tantric-human-sacrifice-bihar-972262-2017-04-19
To innocent western readers this used to be much much common just four decades ago when I was a teenager. Almost every large city in India had more than a dozen cases happening every year. Less said about rural areas.
Check out the date lines and cities in these article from indias top media houses and newspapers. They are recent, spread all over India latest one os barely 2 weeks old.
Good ole Hinduism.
Earlier they burnt widows on the husbands pyre till the British put a stop to it. There are still occasional cases in recent times.
Of course the present day revisionists say it was because of Muslims that they did this.
masr
Reply to chola3
7 hours ago
Gangsters all!
Such a relief that Hinduism is so cute. Just last few years, news from apll over India. Latest one is just 2 weeks old
https://www.deccanherald.com/archives/suspected-child-sacrifice-hyderabad-severed-1918691
https://www.indiancurrents.org/article-tantric-rituals–adult-daughters-sacrificed-to-deity-by-highly-educated-parents-manoj-varghese-252.php
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4903390.stm#:~:text=It%20was%20then%20she%20turned,are%20devoted%20to%20the%20goddess.
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/4yearold-boy-killed-in-human-sacrifice-in-amethi-4-held-police-101686769505811.html
https://thehimalayantimes.com/nepal/minor-girl-rescued-from-tantric-cult-sacrifice
https://www.deccanherald.com/india/woman-kills-toddler-as-sacrifice-ritual-in-uttar-pradesh-village-1139449.html
https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/tantrik-gets-death-for-child-sacrifice/article7500755.ece
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/ludhiana/4-yr-old-boy-killed-in-human-sacrifice/articleshow/104143939.cms
https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/four-held-in-bihar-for-human-sacrifice-days-after-mutilated-body-of-girl-recovered-1838718-2021-08-09
https://telanganatoday.com/hathras-shocker-11-year-old-boy-sacrificed-for-schools-success-fame
https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/tantric-human-sacrifice-bihar-972262-2017-04-19
Mad-Dog
20 hours ago
Everybody is entitled to their opinion. Here’s what my tax dollars forcibly extracted from myself buy. It’s impossible to argue with delusional individuals. Netanyahu is a morally depraved and corrupt war criminal. His supporters are no better. My tax dollars are being used to fianance a genocide which is depraved, outrageous, and if that represents US values, then this country is on an irreversible down hill slide.
abrogard
20 hours ago
Yep. You don’t have to be any kind of elevated thinker, scholar or whatever to know that the claims for ‘rightful indigenous ownership’ are bullcrap. Always specious. Because, simply put, you today are not them, then.
Alan E
20 hours ago
Finkelstein gave up arguing from history many years ago … his wants to focus arguments on legal grounds … the body of international law and UN resolutions.
So the question for Zionists is “do you accept this body of law and are you prepared to make a case to change it?”
This is not the “rules-based international order” and it is not the “god-says-it-is-so zionist order”
If Zionists wish to make the case that the land is theirs, they can take it to the ICJ. They only need one witness – their god.
No show = case dismissed
Mac
20 hours ago
I note in the timeline as well that your Zionist friend doesn’t mention all the time prior to Joshua when the area was inhabited by Philistines (Palestinians) who were subsequently violently treated as were others in the “Promised Land” that our loving God told them to take by killing everybody, using genocide.
So, in known history, there have been Palestinians there for more time than Jews/Hebrews. Their claim always boils down to God promised it to them, so they are entitled. Unfortunately God did not send the memo out to everybody, as would make good sense and within His power, and the result has been conflict ever since. And apparently, the descendants of Ishmael and the other 6 sons of Abraham count for nothing in terms of the family inheritance. Arabs, issue of Ishmael, should have some rights too, should they not?
Somehow this also doesn’t square with the concept of a “loving God” as the majority in the region aren’t feeling the love.
rosross
Reply to Mac
20 hours ago
The Palestinians were not Philistines. The Egyptians were making notes, carving it in stone, about Palestine and Palestinians more than 5000 years ago, thousands of years before Philistines existed or appeared. Conflating Philistines with Palestinians is just a Zio ploy akin to that of claiming the Romans named Palestine, to pretend Jews were wandering around the place before Palestine and Palestinians existed. They were not.
Even if they were, as a religion they have no right to claim land, homeland, self determination or indeed a grain of sand anywhere on planet earth.
gooddoctor
Reply to rosross
19 hours ago
Goliath was a Philistine. It is the Zionist who claim that they are the origin of Palestinians. But you are wrong that Jews were wandering about and native Palestinians occupied a land called Palestine. Nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, all the different people who lived in the province of Palestine, including Jews, were from Roan times were called Palestinians. The name is of Roman origin. e Romans began using the term ‘Syria Palaestina’ for the entire area formerly covered by Judea and Samaria. This term for the region remained popular, evolving into the ‘Palestine’ of modern times.
gooddoctor
Reply to Mac
18 hours ago
Very interesting, especially the claim that God gave the land to Jews, seemingly without conditions. Not so. Moses destroyed the Ten Commandment when he came down from the mountain and saw the so-called chosen people again disappointed God and were longing for the fleshpots of Egypt and created the Golden Calf. The people divided characteristically, and those who were cow worshippers were snuffed by the Lord of Hosts, no pacifist He. For smooshing the original, Moses was allowed to see, but not enter the Holy Land.
Moses receives God’s offer to his people in the tent that was the Temple till Solomon built a church. It’s his last speech. Listen up heathen. Lord God offered the land with a blessing and a curse.
Deutremony 11
26 See, I am setting before you today a blessing and a curse— 27 the blessing if you obey the commands of the Lord your God that I am giving you today; 28 the curse if you disobey the commands of the Lord your God and turn from the way that I command you today by following other gods, which you have not known. 29 When the Lord your God has brought you into the land you are entering to possess, you are to proclaim on Mount Gerizim the blessings, and on Mount Ebal the curses. 30 As you know, these mountains are across the Jordan, westward, toward the setting sun, near the great trees of Moreh, in the territory of those Canaanites living in the Arabah in the vicinity of Gilgal. 31 You are about to cross the Jordan to enter and take possession of the land the Lord your God is giving you. When you have taken it over and are living there, 32 be sure that you obey all the decrees and laws I am setting before you today.
Are you listening, Ben Gvir?
Did not go down well, you know, and blows from the Lord were plentiful. The Babylonian exile. Your reporter the Prophet Isaiah I:
Isaiah 1
1 This is the vision which Isaiah, son of Amoz, saw about Judah and Jerusalem at the time of Kings Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah.
2
Listen, heaven, and pay attention, earth!
The Lord has spoken,
“I raised ⌞my⌟ children and helped them grow,
but they have rebelled against me.
3
Oxen know their owners,
and donkeys know where their masters feed them.
But Israel doesn’t know ⌞its owner⌟.
My people don’t understand ⌞who feeds them⌟.
4
“How horrible it will be for a nation that sins.
⌞Its⌟ people are loaded down with guilt.
They are descendants of evildoers
and destructive children.
They have abandoned the Lord.
They have despised the Holy One of Israel.
They have turned their backs on him.
5
“Why do you still want to be beaten?
Why do you continue to rebel?
Your whole head is infected.
Your whole heart is failing.
6
From the bottom of your feet to the top of your head
there is no healthy spot left on your ⌞body⌟—
only bruises, sores, and fresh wounds.
They haven’t been cleansed, bandaged,
or soothed with oil.
7
“Your country is devastated.
Your cities are burned down.
Your fields are destroyed right before your eyes by foreigners.
Your fields are devastated and taken over by foreigners.
8
My people Zion are left like a hut in a vineyard,
like a shack in a cucumber field,
like a city under attack.”
9
If the Lord of Armies hadn’t left us a few survivors,
we would have been like Sodom and Gomorrah.
10
Listen to the Lord’s word, you rulers of Sodom!
Pay attention to the teachings from our God, you people of Gomorrah!
11
The Lord asks, “What do your many animal sacrifices mean to me?
I’ve had enough of your burnt offerings of rams
and enough fat from your fattened calves.
I’m not pleased with the blood of bulls, lambs, or male goats.
12
When you appear in my presence,
who asked you to trample on my courtyards?
13
Don’t bring any more worthless grain offerings.
Your incense is disgusting to me,
so are your New Moon Festivals, your days of rest—holy days,
and the assemblies you call.
I can’t stand your evil assemblies.
14
I hate your New Moon Festivals and your appointed festivals.
They’ve become a burden to me,
and I’m tired of putting up with them.
15
So when you stretch out your hands ⌞in prayer⌟,
I will turn my eyes away from you.
Even though you offer many prayers,
I will not listen because your hands are covered with blood.
xear
19 hours ago
You can’t use reason on this. Talking to an alcoholic in a pub by making rational arguments is crazy.
Pensions can’t be paid, defaults are certain, social collapse is inevitable … unless the West can neutralize BRICS/Russia, capture Ukraine’s resources, and take control of Mideast oil.
The .1% believe they need to reduce the population to “sustainable” levels. I believe they are sincere in their desire for the greater good of the planet. Perhaps 7.5 billion must die to reach “sustainability.”
The good news is that the soul cannot be harmed. We will all be OK. All religions insist there is an afterlife. Human nature is afraid of the unknown. Forget about this war, if there is no afterlife we are all in big trouble anyway.
RZ
19 hours ago
When I carefully sift as much information as I can find and look at it objectively I find the Russians are in the right and the Zionists in the wrong. This is more or less in direct contradiction to the “Western Narrative”
The comments made in your briefing by the Zionists were not compelling, in fact much of them were wrong, the Russians have I understand proportionally caused far fewer civilian casualties in Ukraine than the IDF in Gaza. The reputational damage being done to so small and isolated country will become fatal as the demographic changes in the US which will leave Israel isolated, alone and unsustainable.
The current behaviour is very short term and strange for a group that measures their society in millennium.
rosross
Reply to RZ
19 hours ago
It comes down to facts. The historical and contemporary facts show US/Nato/Ukraine aggression led to the Russian invasion and also show the Russians worked hard to prevent said invasion and then made peace proposals since the invasion which the Americans rejected.
Israel has never made any attempt to prevent their invasion of Occupied Palestine and Lebanon and have never made any peace proposals at all which could end the war.
The Russians went to war to defend their borders and stave off US/Nato aggression.
The Israelis went to war to inflict more genocide and ethnic cleansing on the Palestinians and to tighten their hold on the occupation of Palestine, all of it, and a part of Lebanon.
Any understanding of the facts makes that clear.
heikomr
18 hours ago
Great article. But I want to add something that gets far too little attention. It is absolutely important.
But before that, I refer to an article published by Karl Sanchez. He translated Ayatollah Khamenei’s speech last Friday after Friday prayers.
You should always listen to everyone. Certainly.
I will take only one summarizing point from this speech. All Muslims, all Arabs and Persians should unite and stand united against the aggressors. I consider this point to be very important. Especially because, despite all their differences, Muslims in all regions of the world are already angry. I suspect he was aiming at the Muslims “on the street” and less at certain aristocracies and royal houses.
Prof. Mohammad Marandi had spoken specifically of Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Lebanon, Syria and Palestine in terms of active struggle. Ayatollah Khamenei called on the Muslims of these nations by name to resist. Egypt as well. So it is true.
Khamenei has named the aggressors directly. That goes far beyond Israel. Can he be contradicted?
We can and must discuss a lot about the balance of power in the region. But the fools in the USA and in the West, these idiots have no idea what they are igniting. These fools wanted to split Russia into parts. But they have united the Russian nation. Across all ethnic and religious boundaries. There is one word in Russia: “Russians”. These fools dug their own grave with the war against the Orthodox Church in Ukraine. I don’t think it’s out of the question that many Muslims will forget their differences and stand up together against Israel, the USA and the West. Everywhere in the world.
But now my point, which I think is just as important.
There are many Jews, Christians and atheists in the world who are outraged by the crimes of Israel, the US and the West in West Asia to East Asia. War in West Asia seems inevitable.
But at the same time, we should all think just as hard about how all peace-loving Christians, Jews, Muslims and atheists can show solidarity with each other and think and talk together about living in peace. Even if this is complicated in view of the emotions. What should life be like afterwards? There can only be peace if we think about it TOGETHER NOW.
From antiquity to the present day. The injustice and the crimes can no longer be undone. But we can overcome the division now and lay the foundations for a future peace. A peace that is not dictated by weapons.
My second point is that people in the West must overcome the divisions in our own societies. Left, right, capitalist, socialist, communist, anarchist, or whatever, between ethnicities and countries of birth, between religions, gay, lesbian, trans and as intended by evolution, or by divine creation. No matter what you believe in.
The 1% and their corrupt and degenerate apparatus have created countless vertical divisions in our societies. But the real division exists between the bottom and the top. The 1% at the top and their accomplices view us all as “data”, “numbers”, “figures”, to be judged by our usefulness to said 1%. We are like “farm animals” to these circles. If necessary, we will be slaughtered and utilized if we are considered useless or superfluous.
Larry Fink from Black Rock said it openly on a podium. The populations of all nations are to be reduced. According to their plans, people will soon no longer be needed. Remember, the next war, pandemic, Black Swan.
karlof1
Reply to heikomr
7 hours ago
Thanks for the referrals. Yes, as Khamenei said, Humanity must stand together to prevent the crimes of the future from being committed, for that’s what Humanity has the power to change. The idea Khamenei’s promoting’s existed for many years; I’m currently thinking of “All Together Now” by the Beatles from the 1960s and so many others from that Era.
masr
Reply to heikomr
7 hours ago
Peace loving people of all religions not just Muslims, Jews and Christians have come out in great numbers in countries they could to show their support for peace and humanity.
Kukulkan
17 hours ago
Larry’s correspondent wrote:
What is really occurring here is that Jews have fully resettled their indigenous homeland
According to the Bible, Jews aren’t indigenous to Palestine. They displaced a people known as the Canaanites. In fact, when the the Israelites arrived from Egypt, God ordered them to destroy Canaan and its people. Netanyahu and other members of the Israeli government have been bragging about this ancient genocide – or, at least, the part of it involving the Amalekites — and using it as justification for Israel’s current actions.
So, the Zionist perspective doesn’t make sense, even in it’s own frame of reference.
wondering_wanderer
16 hours ago
Well argued – but if the “European Jews” have no connection to Palestine, all this all irrelevant.
Like as not, the people who gave us Jesus are the Palestinians, there living in Palestine. ie. “Jesus” was a Palestinian. The most obvious explanation! The indigenous jews of the Middle East are entirely Middle Eastern people in every way.
The “European Jews” are in every way obviously not people of the Levant and/or the Middle-East. These countries have mixed coexisting populations unlike anything in “the West”. The hereditary jewish populations across the Middle East are reputed to be just about invisible because they are a woven-in part of the overall fabric of those societies. What is being seen with the “State of Israel” is an outpost of a very “Western” method – “right-vs-wrong” and expulsion I suggest. There are disaffected jewish people formerly of North Africa and the Levant who were displaced solely because of the formation of a State of Israel in Palestine, who have a lot of profile in current events – but this exception alters nothing.
“Bottom line” – we shouldn’t have executed a genocide against our European jewish people, and we shouldn’t have expelled the survivors from our countries and dumped them in historic Palestine.
As for “the book” – well it is/was in circulation in Eurasia via Christian teachings, and some poor sods had a life so miserable they adopted the fantasy of being “the chosen people” as the only succour they could have in what life they had. Doesn’t bestow up them “jack-s**t” anywhere else.
With the expulsions over the centuries into millennia, European jews did mix with North African jews and get darker skins in many cases. I know from folk I know. But most European jews are so clearly purely Eastern European people. If it all were not so tragic and evil, they could be “the toytown jews”.
You’ll maybe be knowing the Inquisitions in Europe, eg. “the Spanish Inquisition”, acted on the Moors of Moorish Spain being significantly jewish people of the Levant – exterminate jewish belief. Bringing in another angle on how deluded we are here in “the West” on these issues.
Ultimately – this whole issue is “the elephant in the room” of “Western” psychology.
For any onlooker from the rest of the world, this absurdity is obvious at a glance.
We have to let it go and reconcile with what
we
have done wrong.
Opening the discussion is good and so so so needed – but, as in the general case, you cannot make anything rational out of insanity, as your initial effort at “scriptures” tried to do.
There is a “Zion” set up which has existed for over a century in Russia, and all those professing to be jews who are now in the State of Israel in Palestine should be brought back and given space to “collect their thoughts” and see a way forward.
Leave Palestine to be Palestine and free.
Final note – it is rare to find anyone who is entirely blameless – but what happened in Europe with the attempted extermination of the European jews, the Palestinians had absolutely zero connection with. That is totally and logically obvious. It is rare to find a 100% clear-cut case – but it exists here. We need to let go of our attempted claim on these people and what they have.
Gsuter
15 hours ago
zionism is a cult of Judaism and I think it is time we all recognise what it is. and, like any cult, believes they are the chosen ones of god. the problem is they believe their own propaganda whist, seeking to gain enough influence to be legitimised by political elites. sadly, those very same political elites are now the zionists themselves and every western govt now is using for misinformation legislation or silencing descent. it isn’t because of anything other than the zionist narrative being challenged by the people who oppose them.
Judaism and zionism are two different things so please do not start saying it is antisemitism.
Eric the Red
15 hours ago
Your friend’s appeal to collateral damage is typical hasbara and pilpul, i.e. a deceptive attempt to reframe the context of the issue.
The true context involves (1) appropriate type of force and (2) appropriate amount of force, AKA proportional response.
As for (1), what the Israelis are doing is like using a shotgun to kill a fly, then blaming the fly for all the damage to their house. The IDF is supposed to be one of the most advanced militaries on earth. They’ve had decades to prepare tactics to attack and defeat an adversary in tunnels, in a precise and effective manner without destroying everything aboveground. Supposedly they are already aware of the mapped tunnel layout. But instead of thinking in 3 dimensions, they pretend there is only a 2 dimensional space aboveground on which to fight. This is specious reasoning and deliberate obliviousness (and Jews always pride themselves on being more intelligent than everyone else, what a laugh). It’s also cowardly, since it takes balls to fight and win in constricted spaces. I guess the Israelis don’t care about that aspect of their manhood. Hell, I guess they now pride themselves on being woke effeminate soyboys with grrrl power.
As for (2), there’s no way in hell that Israelis could use rational logic and objective facts to pretend that killing hundreds of women and children is proportional to one dead Israeli. But of course, that’s not really their argument. Their actual position is that every single Palestinian man woman and child is a terrorist. Next time, Larry, try pinning your friend down on just what is the objective definition of a terrorist as used by the Israeli government. His attempt to answer that question ought to be worth a few laughs in a macabre kind of way.
Roland
15 hours ago
And what if there was no God? No Jewish God, no Muslim God? If God was just an illusionary Idea, a meme?
It is better to talk than to shoot. But how to talk to hysterical men? People who start shouting like a small boy when you steal his beloved toy?
Why this hysterical behaviour?
In America, the native Indians could not understand how someone can own land.
In Africa, a rich king did not own land, but slaves.
The European people, for centuries, try to own land. Lebensraum. And the Jews, who lived thousands and more years without an own country, started to imitate the European behaviour with Herzl.
I just hope that this outbreak of hatred in the near east will end soon like a thunderstorm, and that afterwards, we will get a clear view on ourselves.
Last remark: 1618 to 1648, we killed because of catholic and protestant. Now because of Jew and Muslim. Ridiculous! Open your eyes.
Johan Johansson
Reply to Roland
9 hours ago
And what if there were no God? No Jewish God, no Muslim God? If God were just an illusionary Idea, a meme?
Well then such god would be quite useful for certain tribes justifying their despicable behavior. From a Zionist perspective, that’s a success-story of sorts. But why did the non-jews not see the light and abandon this “illusionary idea” (“hallucination” is more apt)?
chola3
Reply to Johan Johansson
8 hours ago
i think the jewish god does exist, as is the christian and muslim gods.
Jealous gods and demigods were accepted wisdom in many cultures.
e.g maybe Indra was pissed off with no one praying to him and went to start a cult. Loki?
Roland
Reply to Johan Johansson
7 hours ago
I know that religion may also be considered to be nothing else but a culture.
Steveo
15 hours ago
You’ll never change his mind and he never yours. This is why fighting is a human condition. Unfortunately we make nukes for security despite defying elementary logic and next big fight (WW) goes there.
I figure nuclear war is inevitable whether Ukraine or israel wars start it won’t matter they’ll all go off so instead of wishing for world peace and understanding (can never happen) best to get setup amongst those not a target…like South America, Africa, or just a sail boat in South Pacific. Cheers.
And if nuclear winter theory is real then even location won’t matter.
Last edited 15 hours ago by Steveo
Johan Johansson
Reply to Steveo
9 hours ago
there will, at least that’s my hope, be enough sane people in the command chain, to prevent the worst from happening. For the samson option to work all involved must want to die and that’s unlikely. in the US it isn’t even clear who has the codes.
chola3
15 hours ago
Sudden thought:
Ironic it would be if monotheistic nukes hit Persia, the originator of monotheism.
(I hope not. I emphatise with Iran more than Russia. After all, they have been supportive of us through thick and thin.)
bonbon
Reply to chola3
15 hours ago
The first monotheist was Ekhnaton, of the Aton cult in Egypt. Idea came from his wife Nefertiti, a Hittite, from today’s Anatolia.
There is a huge discussion that Ekhnaton is in fact Moses who escaped with the Hebrews. His son Tut-ankh-Aton known as Tut-ankh-Amun faced the Amun cult violent revisionist destruction of most Aton glyphs, likely murdering Tut-ankh-Amun.
Amun, polytheist, which means much more money. Persia, Babylon infiltrated Egypt via Amun. Which is why Alexander headed straight for the priestly power, as Persia had subverted Greece via Delphi Oracle.
bonbon
15 hours ago
Again this :
https://asiatimes.com/2024/10/israel-thwarted-iran-missile-attack-but-defense-isnt-enough/
Israel thwarted Iran missile attack but defense isn’t enough
Israel must destroy launch capabilities, hit missile manufacturing sites and wipe out Iran’s nukes capability
by Stephen Bryen October 7, 2024
Eric
15 hours ago
It is one thing for a ‘Gentile’ and presumed ‘anti semite’ Larry Johnson, to criticize the actions of the Zionists. So in dealing with such genocide apologists, I use unimpeachable Jewish sources. Probably the most definitive is that guy, you may have heard of, Albert Einstein, and the premier Holocaust reseacher, Hannah Arendt. They along with about 20 other Jewish notables wrote a letter to the NYTimes December, 1948
https://archive.org/details/AlbertEinsteinLetterToTheNewYorkTimes.December41948
<<TO THE EDITORS OF NEW YORK TIMES:
Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the “Freedom Party” (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine.
The current visit of Menachem Begin, leader of this party, to the United States is obviously calculated to give the impression of American support for his party in the coming Israeli elections, and to cement political ties with conservative Zionist elements in the United States. Several Americans of national repute have lent their names to welcome his visit. It is inconceivable that those who oppose fascism throughout the world, if correctly informed as to Mr. Begin’s political record and perspectives, could add their names and support to the movement he represents.
Before irreparable damage is done by way of financial contributions, public manifestations in Begin’s behalf, and the creation in Palestine of the impression that a large segment of America supports Fascist elements in Israel, the American public must be informed as to the record and objectives of Mr. Begin and his movement.
….<<Attack on Arab Village
A shocking example was their behavior in the Arab village of Deir Yassin. This village, off the main roads and surrounded by Jewish lands, had taken no part in the war, and had even fought off Arab bands who wanted to use the village as their base. On April 9 (THE NEW YORK TIMES), terrorist bands attacked this peaceful village, which was not a military objective in the fighting, killed most of its inhabitants (240 men, women, and children) and kept a few of them alive to parade as captives through the streets of Jerusalem. Most of the Jewish community was horrified at the deed, and the Jewish Agency sent a telegram of apology to King Abdullah of Trans-Jordan. But the terrorists, far from being ashamed of their act, were proud of this massacre, publicized it widely, and invited all the foreign correspondents present in the country to view the heaped corpses and the general havoc at Deir Yassin.
The Deir Yassin incident exemplifies the character and actions of the Freedom Party.
Within the Jewish community they have preached an admixture of ultranationalism, religious mysticism, and racial superiority. Like other Fascist parties they have been used to break strikes, and have themselves pressed for the destruction of free trade unions. In their stead they have proposed corporate unions on the Italian Fascist model.
During the last years of sporadic anti-British violence, the IZL and Stern groups inaugurated a reign of terror in the Palestine Jewish community. Teachers were beaten up for speaking against them, adults were shot for not letting their children join them. By gangster methods, beatings, window-smashing, and wide-spread robberies, the terrorists intimidated the population and exacted a heavy tribute.
The people of the Freedom Party have had no part in the constructive achievements in Palestine. They have reclaimed no land, built no settlements, and only detracted from the Jewish defense activity. Their much-publicized immigration endeavors were minute, and devoted mainly to bringing in Fascist compatriots.>>
The letter goes on but the point is clear. These genocide apologists need to get the truth thrown back in their face.
Other sources are Jews and even Israelis like
Ilan Pappe. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ethnic_Cleansing_of_Palestine
Israel Shahak https://ifamericansknew.org/cur_sit/shahak.html
Norman Finkelstein
Gabor Mate
“None of those excuses…there are no two sides. There was a land with people living on it, and people came and took it over…to dispossess them.”
Eric the Red
15 hours ago
Here’s another fun fact to throw at Israelis… they claim to be descended from the tribes that inhabited Judah. Israel was a separate Jewish kingdom from Judah. If modern-day Israelis want historical accuracy, then they are entitled to no more that a small amount of land around Jerusalem, which extends north to south only the extent of the Dead Sea. Which means they should pull out of almost every piece of land they’ve usurped since 1948.
bonbon
Reply to Eric the Red
15 hours ago
That is why Bibi’s Greater Israel is in fact Babylon 2 as Sir Henry Kissinger KCMG foretold in 2012.
In other words Zionists are re-creating Canaan, from which the word Cannibal comes – Caanan Baal . Baal, like Marduk of Persia, Molloch of Babylon demanded child sacrifice .
bonbon
Reply to bonbon
15 hours ago
Molloch :
And in the 1990’s there was a Lebanon national movement for Canaan, which might explain how Israel has such good HUMINT.
Phoenicians brought their cult far and wide, from Carthage to the Amazon to Great Lakes. Incredible boats.
gooddoctor
Reply to bonbon
11 hours ago
Phoenicians on the Great Lakes? Thank you. There are many Native Canadians on it. According to the Mormons, they are my fellow Jews gone native.
bonbon
Reply to gooddoctor
6 hours ago
Copper mining, isotope tracing. As the Mormons are from the Templars, salt needed.
gooddoctor
Reply to bonbon
3 hours ago
OK, have it your way.
chola3
Reply to bonbon
8 hours ago
Why are western christians obsessed about child sacrifice?
Convenient too, since the wiped out cultures cannot confirm or deny.
bonbon
Reply to chola3
3 hours ago
Look up Tophets, papered over for decades by archaeo’s. A minimum of research….
gooddoctor
Reply to Eric the Red
10 hours ago
You are right. Judah and Israel were two separate entities, Noth and South, the latter had the Temple, but both came together at Pasover. So what! Israel was not a modern nation-state.The North and the South fought separately against the Romans. I recommend reading Josephus, ” On the Jewish War”. Josephus was a General in the North, but wound up siding with the Romans. These Jews were revolutionaries, as was your Jesus .
I give you the Socialist Jesus from a poem by Ezra Pound. The Good Bro is Reb Jesus nee Jeshua,Ballad of the Goodly Fere
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Ezra Pound
1885 –
1972
Simon Zelotes speaking after the Crucifixion. Fere=Mate, Companion.
Ha’ we lost the goodliest fere o’ all
For the priests and the gallows tree
Aye lover he was of brawny men,
O’ ships and the open sea.
When they came wi’ a host to take Our Man
His smile was good to see,
“First let these go!” quo’ our Goodly Fere,
“Or I’ll see ye damned,” says he.
Aye he sent us out through the crossed high spears
And the scorn of his laugh rang free,
“Why took ye not me when I walked about
Alone in the town?” says he.
Oh we drank his “Hale” in the good red wine
When we last made company,
No capon priest was the Goodly Fere
But a man o’ men was he.
I ha’ seen him drive a hundred men
Wi’ a bundle o’ cords swung free,
That they took the high and holy house
For their pawn and treasury.
They’ll no’ get him a’ in a book I think
Though they write it cunningly;
No mouse of the scrolls was the Goodly Fere
But aye loved the open sea.
If they think they ha’ snared our Goodly Fere
They are fools to the last degree.
“I’ll go to the feast,” quo’ our Goodly Fere,
“Though I go to the gallows tree.”
“Ye ha’ seen me heal the lame and blind,
And wake the dead,” says he,
“Ye shall see one thing to master all:
‘Tis how a brave man dies on the tree.”
A son of God was the Goodly Fere
That bade us his brothers be.
I ha’ seen him cow a thousand men.
I have seen him upon the tree.
He cried no cry when they drave the nails
And the blood gushed hot and free,
The hounds of the crimson sky gave tongue
But never a cry cried he.
I ha’ seen him cow a thousand men
On the hills o’ Galilee,
They whined as he walked out calm between,
Wi’ his eyes like the grey o’ the sea,
Like the sea that brooks no voyaging
With the winds unleashed and free,
Like the sea that he cowed at Genseret
Wi’ twey words spoke’ suddently.
A master of men was the Goodly Fere,
A mate of the wind and sea,
If they think they ha’ slain our Goodly Fere
They are fools eternally.
I ha’ seen him eat o’ the honey-comb
Sin’ they nailed him to the tree.
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14 hours ago
Brother Larry, I agree that it’s important – essential even – to listen to those you disagree with, but there are obviously limits to what can be achieved by this. Would you try to have a rational discussion with a member of the KKK, or someone who was ideologically-committed to the apartheid government in South Africa, about why they were entitled to whatever it was they thought they were entitled to?
Such discussions have a habit of getting sidetracked into minor ‘debating points’ (e.g. quibbling over the legal definition of genocide, whilst mass killing is taking place daily) while ignoring the real issues. The bottom line here is that Arabs who had lived in Palestine for centuries were forcibly displaced in order to create Israel. Regardless of the validity (or imbecility) of any other claims, is this civilised behaviour?
In the present day, Israelis organise hilltop viewing parties to cheer the bombing of Arabs, and encourage their children to post videos on social media mocking
Arabs who lack food and clean water due to Israeli bombing. A large proportion of Israelis consider it acceptable for their soldiers to anally rape Palestinian detainees. Is this civilised behaviour?
As you know, and have reported on often, this is merely a tiny sampling of the outrages and abuses perpetrated by the Israeli regime, and Israeli society, on an ongoing basis. The ‘very smart person’ quoted in your post is someone who is perfectly ok with all of this. Do you really think it’s going to be possible to have an honest discussion with someone like that, rather than an exercise in point-scoring, deflection, and throwing whatever they can at the wall to see what sticks? I applaud you for trying to engage with this guy. but I feel you’ve done your readers a disservice by publishing his sophistry on your site. By engaging with his talking points whilst overlooking the real issues, you have inadvertently lent him a degree of credibility which he does not merit.
Rodolfo
14 hours ago
God is given credit for inspiring the Old Testament and the New Testament, he is not the author of Kabbala, the Babylonian Talmud, the Mishnah, the Targums or the protocols of Zion. Everyone in the Biden administration is a Talmudic Jew. These people do not worship the god of the Bible. They are not Gods chosen as they claim.
Christian Zionists are an idol worshiping cult that is far removed from historical Christianity. Our congress is infested with these idolaters. Spiritual deception is a powerful weapon that society needs to account for if we are going to strive to survive going forward.
bonbon
Reply to Rodolfo
14 hours ago
Exactly. There are the Empire’s Chosen, that chooses to be King of the World. Exactly as Dostevski’s Grand Inquisitor let slip.
gooddoctor
Reply to bonbon
5 hours ago
Chere bonbone. Good book you should read it, The Brothers Karamazov. Ivan is the sophisticate and cynic, and the story is told to the saintly Alyosha, his bother, a monk. Powerful story a godly writer againtst his own church. Jews don’t figure in it.
Here is the story, the Catholic Church sets up an Inquisition in Florence, Purity rules, heretics burn, the Church rules.Think megachurch.Then who should turn up but Jesus Christ. I mean the real Jesus Christ. The Grand Inquisitor has him arrested immediately, and visits the Lord in jail to complain what a mess the Messiah had left them. Human beings are too weak to carry out all that Christ had tasked them with, so the Church took that off their hands Now you come back. Christ gets crucified by his church.
There is an exam after bonbon. Study.
bonbon
Reply to gooddoctor
3 hours ago
Quoth the Inquisitor :
The “West” has a serious problem in comprehension since 1492, the year Spain”s Queen Isabelle and Ferdinand’s expulsion of Moors (Muslims) and Jews diktat went into full force.
The Grand Inquisitor Torquemada, a Catholic Dominican Cardinal is the most infamous torturer and of course only the Russians understand what and who he is.
Dostoevski’s Brothers Karamazov has a chapter on the Inquisitor Torquemada who imprisons and interrogates Jesus before burning at the heretics stake.
Ivan Karamazov begins to tell his story: The Grand Inquisitor speaks:
https://www2.hawaii.edu/~freeman/courses/phil100/11.%20Dostoevsky.pdf
“And do you think I would conceal our secret from you?
Perhaps it is my own lips that you want to hear it from—then listen: we are not with you, but with him, there is our secret!
We have long been not with you, but with him, eight centuries now.
It is now just eight centuries since we took from him that which you in indignation rejected, that final gift he offered you, when he showed you all the kingdoms of the world: we took from him Rome and the sword of Caesar and announced that we alone were the kings of the world, the only kings, even though to this day we have not succeeded in bringing our task to its complete fulfillment.”
Dostoevki precisely identifies the Synarchist satanic intent that had overtaken the West, and produced Hitler, Muslim Brotherhood, and Zionism.
Dostoevski knew of what he spake.
bonbon
14 hours ago
Larry , any Christian Zionists in the discussion group, such as Mike Johnson or Pompeo?
It is beyond incredible that Zionism’s origin as a major British Empire Project is not once mentioned here.
Here is the Zionist-in-Chief himself, coronated sitting on a Stone from Sol-Amon’s Temple in Jerusalem.
Plans and a virtual walk through for the New Temple are here :
https://www.quatuorcoronati.com/
The Premier Lodge of Masonic Research
Remember Christian Zionist Speaker of the House that opened the money sluice-gate, and wonder how the USA is back in the evah lovin’ arms.
bonbon
13 hours ago
https://canadianpatriot.org/2023/10/24/why-the-jews-of-khazaria-the-himyarites-and-gokturk-empire-are-keys-to-universal-history/
Why the Jews of Khazaria, the Himyarites and GokTurk Empire are Keys to Universal History
bonbon
13 hours ago
Apartheid ended with a new State. Rabin tried to do that and was assassinated.
kam
13 hours ago
Ignorance abounds, so little verifiable History, so much conjecture.
Few know that the (Roman Catholic) Crusades were as much about wiping out the Eastern Orthodox Christian Church as it was about pushing Muslims out of the “Holy Lands”.
Few know that their “unshakable, solid-as-a-rock, Word-of-God” Bible was a political concoction designed to protect the power of Rome. All the murdered and marginalized Christian/Jewish sects throughout the Roman Empire have mostly disappeared from sight. Not the CATHOLIC Church. It is the ROMAN Catholic Church.
So many otherwise sane, reasoned people, crazed in their hatred of “the other side”. Blind to the curiosity that Judaism, Christianity and Islam claim to worship the same God.
The United States of America could be a Peace Maker but the captured Ghetto of Washington, D.C. has usurped the power of the now, exceedingly dumb Giant.
chola3
Reply to kam
13 hours ago
While historically we suffered mostly from muslims, in my years, i recognized the most disparaging of the other is from Christians.
Johan Johansson
Reply to chola3
9 hours ago
I don’t know what you mean with “we” but it seems to me that the suffering inflicted by the catholic church and by protestants far exceeds that inflicted by muslims
chola3
Reply to Johan Johansson
8 hours ago
I am meaning we as in my ethnic group. Agreed about the western christian. After all, Maronites & Yazidis exist but not druids.
gooddoctor
Reply to chola3
5 hours ago
We don’t know shit about the Druids No written records at all.
bonbon
Reply to gooddoctor
3 hours ago
‘fraid that is false.
One reason it is covered up is the Mithra “snake” Druid cult missionaries found. Here is a map from a Italian monastery showing how Mithra became the St. Michael. For Instance Sir Henry Kissinger, KCMG, Knight of St. Michael and St. George.
bonbon
Reply to bonbon
3 hours ago
Michael, George,
bonbon
Reply to bonbon
3 hours ago
Roman state religion Mithra, rebranded as Michael.
John Moffett
13 hours ago
Your friend is delusional and it is this type of delusional thinking that will bring about WWIII. The idea that people have claim to some land somewhere because some of their ancestors lived there a long, long time ago would mean that most people on earth would have to move, to go back to where their ancestors lived. Like, for instance, the Native Americans would reclaim all of the US. They certainly have a much better claim to the land than Jews have to Israel.
bonbon
Reply to John Moffett
12 hours ago
The standard model of Siberians walking to Washington State means Russia could claim America.
Oops!
Which is not true anyway, the Clovis culture came from France.
Hey, Macron?
tom@bangpath.com
12 hours ago
Larry. The dispute and battling over the levant goes well back more than 2000 years. I mean the jews had been battling philistines there since at least 1500 BC so thats 3500 right there.
At times they lost and at times they won. They were forced out and landed in Egypt where they acted as a mercenary force for a weak egypt prior to the exodus. They were forced into babylon by nebuchadnezzar in the 7th century BC
The FIRST Temple was built something like 3000 years ago. Pretty good claim to the temple mount right there
Now I am not a big supporter of zionism, but the christian west has been at war with Islam for the last 1400 years, and I know which side I come down on for that as a direct descendant of Charles the Hammer Martel. Both sides have acted brutally. Almost a Hatfield vs McCoy situation, though my closest Jewish friend disputes that characterization
The situation is a mess.
gooddoctor
Reply to tom@bangpath.com
5 hours ago
I knew Charles the Hammer, and you are no Charles the Hammer,
bonbon
12 hours ago
The US Constitution is very precise – Separation of Church and State. Learnt the lessons of the 30 years War in Europe.
Even the Russian Federation Constitution’s Article 14: “The Russian Federation shall be a secular state. No religion may be established as the State religion or as obligatory.”
The British Monarch, a head of a Church and State, invented Zionism as a battering ram against the US Constitution.
Hard for military guys to understand the incoming missiles are missives.
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